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by: James, a Mountaineer from Fort Collins, CO
Date Reviewed: 2/19/2002 10:45:09 PM |
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Summary:
I haven't had this tent for very long, but am overwhelmed with sweat
about it. After some of the other products I've used I can honestly say
that I've finally found what I've been looking for in a tent. Good heat
retention, stable in a storm, relatively easy set up, spacious, good ventalation,
very waterproof, etc etc. It is a little bulky and heavy, yet when divided
between 2 or 3 people it is very managable. It's just a shame that it took
me this long to find such a tent.
Customer Service:
never had the need.
Similar Products Tried:
Sierra Designs, REI, Walrus.
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Reviewed by: Ed, a Climber from
Leavenworth, WA
Date Reviewed: 10/8/2001 11:24:12 AM
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I have the Expedition 25, not the VE-25 and I have had nothing but the
best experience with it so far. I'm 6'3" and my brother is 6'6" and the
length of the tent is very important, especially when you add in your winter
gear. This was the only tent that we fit in without our feet or heads bumping
against the walls.
Staking it out takes a few minutes, but once done very little will disturb
this tent. We've been hunkered down in some pretty heavy winter storms above
treeline, had snow drift over the top and the fly never even touched the
tent fabric, very impressive. All in all it's a great tent. Heavy and overkill
for backpacking or a one nighter - probably. But, if it's all that is separating
you and the elements and without it you'de be a world of hurt, it's worth
every ounce.
Customer Service:
Never needed them.
Similar Products Tried:
My lighter mountaineering tent is the Wild Country Mountain. I love it
too!
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Reviewed by: Pete, a Backpacker
from San Francisco
Date Reviewed: 7/11/2001 2:16:51 PM
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Summary:
Yes this is a large atent and it is not light but if you are not in
ideal weather conditions this is the tent. It can be the condo in the woods.
I agree it can be too much tent for most backpackers but it can also become
a home away from home. I've been caught in serious rain storms in it and
never wondered if it would fail. Besides the weight the other downfall in
this tent is ventilation. I would not use it in the middle of summer somewhere
on the east coast.
Customer Service:
TNF is usually pretty good with their service.
Similar Products Tried:
REI, Sierra Design
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Reviewed by: jf, a Mountaineer
from denver
Date Reviewed: 6/3/2001 9:01:06 PM
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Ohh Dave, your type runs way too rampant. Keep trying to feel good
about those overpriced, poorly constructed TNF products of yours. At least
you'll be the hit on college campuses. And dont let anyone tell you otherwise,
heaven forbid!
I know, without question, that there are better tents out there. Wisdom
is justified by her children. And as I ended my caveat before, it was just
my opinion.
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Reviewed by: Dave, a Backpacker
from Canada
Date Reviewed: 6/3/2001 9:59:48 AM
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In regards to the review submitted by JF from Denver all I have to say
is,why don,t you write something relevant to the subject at hand?This tent
has stood the test of time and is still a prefered item on most if not all
expeditions and if you don,t own it then how can you subjectively review
it?Stop wasting space and time!Alot of people choose this tent because they
do everything possible to avoid equipment failure and buy something they
know they can count on a little extra weight is a good trade off for piece
of mind.
Customer Service:
Haven,t needed any to date
Similar Products Tried:
I have an assortment of gear from TNF and have been very satisfied so far.
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Reviewed by: jf, a Mountaineer
from denver
Date Reviewed: 6/3/2001 8:30:32 AM
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First off, I do not own this tent. But I have a few words to say.
For anyone that is considering a tent of this size and weight, realize that
this tent was designed to be a base camp tent. It is not meant to be taken
down and hauled on your back day after day. I believe this is a really strong
tent, but not suited to 99% of most users needs. Generally people buy more
tent than they need because in their mind they want to justify that they
are some mountaineer they arent. If you dont fall into the 1% look at lighter
tents(walrus, bibler, MH, SD).
There is no reason to carry this type of tent on your back unless you are
setting up a base camp then heading out for a summit attempt from there.
And when I say base camp, I mean a long standing base camp.
But thats just my opinion for what its worth.
Customer Service:
bibler-good
Similar Products Tried:
bibler ahwahnee, SD, BD megamid
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Reviewed by: Trevor, a Backpacker
from Oklahoma
Date Reviewed: 6/2/2001 2:10:45 PM
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Summary:
I've had this tent for 15-16 years. Bought it when they first came
out with the model. The VE-25 was U.S. made back then. The design has changed
slightly since then. My model has the front vestibule and features two "snow
doors" (large, circular openings in canopy and fly for potential ingress/egress).
Nothing else substantially differs from the current models insofar as I can
tell.
It has been a good tent, but it hasn't received a lot of use. When it was
purchased, there was far less choice among brands (and far fewer models to
choose from) in the tent market. Basicially, it's too heavy for a two person
backpacking tent -- it really is a mountain/expedition type tent and excels
only for that use. It is best used in cool to cold temperature conditions
-- it isn't particularly well-suited for summer heat.
The living space accomodates two with some gear easily; with three people,
it's crowded. Setup isn't particularly easy, but it's not too difficult
either. I have found it hard to get a seamlessly taut pitch, but it's ok.
The flysheet will sag almost against the tent wall along one of the sections
between poles unless staked out.
It may sound like I don't think much of the tent, but that isn't true. It
is well-made, keeps you dry in a storm, and has a strong architecture. I
just don't go on polar expeditions (don't winter camp much either) and don't
have much need for a high altitude basecamp type tent.
Customer Service:
Haven't needed it. One of the webbing grommets has pulled itself partially
loose, but it's not worth sending off to never-never land to get that fixed.
Similar Products Tried:
Marmot Solstice (1984 three-pole hoop tent); Moss Stardome II, Bibler Juniper,
Bibler Kiva, Marmot Nutshell, Walrus Arch Rival XV; old (1980's) Marmot Taku.
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Reviewed by: andy , a Backpacker
from minnesota
Date Reviewed: 5/31/2001 5:31:39 PM
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I got this tent from campmor a couple of weeks ago and I've been living
in it since. It's the only place i've slept. and the only complaint I have
is that it gets quite hot in the sun, but it is a mountaineering tent, so
I can't complain too much. I have also had a small problem with something
leaking on the edge of the vents in the fly, I haven't had the time to really
look and see what it was. i have the new model with the little window, alhough
they are better than none. I love the ventilation system not quite summer
vents, but it is cool on design. and when I bought the tent it was very slightly
used, I couln't tell besides the dirt on the stakes, so I got it for $349
which is still a lot for a tent, but definatly better than the 500 retail
price.
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Reviewed by: Kris Karelson, a Mountaineer
from Dwason city, Yukon Canada
Date Reviewed: 5/12/2001 11:13:29 AM
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This tent was not worth all of the money. There seems to be too many
poles and it's hard to get the fly tant. What I think is really stupid with
this tent is that the poles are triangler and don't stick into the snow at
all. Also the zipper on the door kept getting caught in the material and
was really annoying when the temperature goes down to -45 C, because you
have to use your bare hand.
Customer Service:
The North Face seems to make there tents a bit out of the times and don't
really stay up to the "break throughs" in outdoor tecnolgey.
Similar Products Tried:
I have used the Stratos fron The North Face and have been more satisfied
with it then the VE-25. I would say that this tent is not worth all of the
money that it costs, but if you can get it for cheaper, then do it.
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Reviewed by: Robert, a Backpacker
from Louisville, KY.
Date Reviewed: 5/2/2001 11:19:31 PM
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I've used this tent for a few years and I don't see a change in the
near future. There is plenty of room for 2 (3 is a little tight). It is a
little on the heavy side, but if you do any high altitude winter camping
it is well worth it. This is one tight tent; the storms the VE-25 has seen
would have shredded my old Jansport. Highly recommended.
Customer Service:
None yet
Similar Products Tried:
Jansport and Sierra Designs
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Reviewed by: Maureen Lamb, a Mountaineer
from Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Date Reviewed: 4/29/2001 2:33:37 PM
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(Aside: Acutally, I'm a paddler but you didn't have that as a category.
Since I enjoy paddling in the mountains of the NWT, I chose Mountaineer.)
I've had my VE-25 for three years and it's been down a couple of NWT rivers
and some local ones. Last year on the first night of a canoe trip down the
Dumoine we had a fierce thunderstorm that lasted over 4 hours. I was the
only person with a dry tent although I did have one little leak that was
easily taken care of with a towel.
One review complained that it was too small for three people but too big
for two. I think it's great for one and just right for two. I find that
after a long day of whitewater, it's relaxing to fit the poles in the sleeves
and set up the tent. As a canoe camper, the weight is only noticeable on
the portages. I'll be taking it backpacking for the first time this soming
weekend so may have more to say about that when I return.
My onlycomplaint is that the tent does not fit nicely into the waterproof
blue barrels that I use on canoeing expeditions so I end up carrying an extra
dry bag for the tent.
Similar Products Tried:
Canondale (with one vestibule)
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Reviewed by: Tracy Soule, a Backpacker
from Colfax, CA USA
Date Reviewed: 4/26/2001 10:19:59 PM
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This tent is fabulous. We have had ours for approximately 15 years
or even longer. It is still in great shape. It withstands extreme temperature
changes and we have been toasty warm and dry in torrential downpours of rain
and snow! One trip snow camping we forgot the tent poles and we were able
to prop it up in a makeshift snow cave and we were still quite content after
the initial shock of no poles! I highly recommend this tent. The price
is well worth the dependability and endurance of the material and workmanship.
As the family has grown, the size is not accurate for more than 2 adults
comfortably. However, now the kids have a tent and we have our own!
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Reviewed by: chris fisher, a Mountaineer
from breckenridge co
Date Reviewed: 3/12/2001 5:03:10 PM
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The ve-25 is a great tent. I've used it in conditions ranging from
gorgeous colorado summer days to 60 mph winds staked out above 13,000. The
tent has excellent support whether it be high winds or heavy snow. Also
the amount of head room is great for those guys over 6 feet tall. The tent
is a bit small for three large guys allowing too much bag to touch the walls
which in turn allows them to get wet. Other than that I have no problems
with it. The true test will be this summer in Alaska's Denali National Park.
If it stands up to this I'll be back with a screaming review.
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Reviewed by: Jon, a Backpacker
from Mahopac, Ny. USA
Date Reviewed: 3/10/2001 9:28:16 AM
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This tent is fantastic! Fairly easy set up. Haven't had it that long,
but already put it through the ringer on the trails, no problem!
Best to split up between two, or three packs because of weight, but for a
great shelter who cares? Got mine through campmore for $250 because a salesman
cut a one inch gash in the floor w/ his knife. I bought it after they had
returned it to N.F. for a full repair. Still carries the lifetime warranty.
Check around for deals like this! They're out there!
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Reviewed by: David DiCicco, a Backpacker
from Del Mar, CA,USA
Date Reviewed: 3/9/2001 7:52:13 AM
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I spent 25 days in this tent in Nepal in 1994 with my wife on a trek.
It was actually the Guide tent, which is this tent fortified a bit for trekking
companies.I loved the tent. it was roomy, easy to get in and out, and warm.
I've always wanted to buy one, but I already have a good tent I had bought
prior to going to Nepal.
Similar Products Tried:
My personal tent is A Moss Olympic, which I also recommend.
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Reviewed by: Ralph Cutter, a Backpacker
from Truckee
Date Reviewed: 3/8/2001 5:30:45 PM
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The VE-25 is a pig. It's heavy and cumbersome to set up. The foam spacers
are lame. The color is obnoxious. It's too small for three people and too
big for two people.
I LOVE IT!! BEST tent I've ever had. I bought an Oval Intention in 1974.
Lived in it every day for nine months straight. Beat it up but it treated
me right.
After ten years it blew into a lake and sank while I was airing it out. Went
diving three months later and pulled it out (it was set up on the bottom
just waiting for some mermaid to take up residence). Tent was ok but all
the plastic waterproofing peeled off the floor.
Sent it to NF for repairs (with a note explaining what happened). They sent
me a VE-25 to replace it since the Intention was out of production.
The VE-25 has been sterling. Lived in it on the coast of Alaska for 4 months.
It has been buried under five feet of heavy snow. It has been run over and
dropped out of a helicopter. It is a survivor.
Customer Service:
North Face gave me the VE25 to replace a tent that dissolved under abuse.
How can you get better than that?
Similar Products Tried:
Bibler, Eureka, Sierra Designs, and several Walrus Swifts (great tents).
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Reviewed by: Joe Hall, a Backpacker
from Anderson SC USA
Date Reviewed: 2/8/2001 3:02:57 PM
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Only fault with this tent is that the sleeved poled are a bit more difficult
to set up than equivalent tents with clips, but the sleeved design arguably
makes for a stronger construction.
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Reviewed by: DogDoc, a Climber
from Estes Park, CO
Date Reviewed: 1/3/2001 9:19:44 AM
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We used our newly purchased VE-25 this year on a long trip to Russia.
It was a fabulous tent!! The vestibule provides a huge amount of gear storage
and cooking space. The bathtub bottom prevents dirt and snow from being drug
in the tent. Bombproof fly! Will withstand high winds. For 2 people is extremely
roomy and comfortable, but is a very weighty tent to carry for only 2. It
was probably more tent than we really needed, but was extremely comfortable!.
I can see that in high winds or bad weather would be kind of cumbersome to
set up because the poll sleves are a bit difficult. In general I think this
is a fantastic tent!
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Reviewed by: Chris Hamilton, a
Mountaineer from Burlingame, CA, USA
Date Reviewed: 12/30/2000 12:19:52 PM
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The VE-25 has been my primary winter expedition tent since 1993. The
tent has performed flawlessly on every trip and has stood up to extreme cold
and high winds (-30F/60mph). It's a perfect base camp tent and is very roomy
for two - even when loaded with bulky winter gear. I think it would be a
little tight for 3 - although definitely doable. The vestibule is perfect
for cooking in cold, windy conditions.
Overall I've been extremely pleased with the tent. With continued care,
I expect it to last for several more years. My only complaint is the weight.
Similar Products Tried:
TNF Expedition 25
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Reviewed by: G.Ruth, a Backpacker
from Vancouver, BC Canada
Date Reviewed: 12/18/2000 12:08:33 PM
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I've always liked this tent - seems well made. I had a chance to use
one on a week long mountaineering trip last summer. We camped above 10,000'
all week on various glaciers. Tent held up well during some serious wind
storms (although there were times it went flat into our faces). Found it
fit 3 people well. My only compliant relates to the internal guy out points
(which we didn't use hence the tent in the face effect) - during one very
wind evening that included heavy rainall the guy points dripped water into
the tent and onto our faces or feet. Very annoying! Chatted with others
who have owned this tent and they have had the same problem. Other than
that tent was great. Weighs more than they say though.
Similar Products Tried:
MEC Snowfield
North Face Tadpole
Sierra Designs Stretch Dome
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Reviewed by: Tom Ambular, a Backpacker
from Sherwood OR
Date Reviewed: 11/29/2000
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Purchased a new VE-25 in 1998. I like the design with the pole lengths
and floor plan (but a bit big even for snow). Vestibule area is adequate.
Wet/damp tent is difficult to pitch on extended trips and the pole sleeves
tend to fight back. The fly seems to collect lots of condensation instead
of venting off damp air from the tent interior which makes a little bit of
pain when breaking camp quickly. Tent seems to do better in cold/dry air
trips than during moist air trips. Called the Warrantee Department this
year for help on the pole grommets and left messages but never had my calls
returned or message left on how to connect with some person there. Booo
North Face
Customer Service:
My expeience was not good. North Face has an automated phone system from
hell (at your own cost to call them). It sounds from the other reviews that
service after sale experiences are mixed.
Similar Products Tried:
Mountain Hardware Tango 3.1 (good large tent too) and Bibler Eldorado (great,
light well-made tent but expensive).
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Reviewed by: Doug, a Climber from
Cambridge, MA
Date Reviewed: 10/5/2000
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Great tent - it kept me as warm and dry as you can be in a 5 day storm
in Prince William Sound. Easy to set-up, roomy and good ventilation. My
only problem was that the zippers weren't the highest quality, but that's
a minor issue. People have been complaining about TNF gear on the Outdoortalk
message board, but this is one piece of TNF gear I swear by.
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Reviewed by: Brian, a Climber from
Seattle
Date Reviewed: 9/2/2000
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Where to start? North Face makes great tents. Maybe this is part of
the current customer service problem. I own 3 North Face tents. I borrowed
a VE-25 to compare to my VE-24. My VE-24, after many dedicated years in
the field, leaks. After I sent the tent to San Leandro CA to see if there
was any way to improve the performance of my befriended tent, they said no.
Okay. So started the search for a replacement. It started at the Seattle
North Face store where they didn't have any expedition tents to review.
Okay, how about a catalog? They didn't have any available. How about a
North Face web page with tent information? Not available yet. Okay. So
I called the Company @ (800) 719-NORTH. The menu-driven prompt took me to
the technical support department where the recording said ""the line is busy""
at which point there was silence followed by a dial tone. Okay disconnected,
I'll try the warranty department. I found someone in warranty who said
she knows nothing of the tent I am interested in but if I call her tomarrow
she will find out for me. Okay. Tomarrow cames and I called her extension
and she says she still didn't know anything more but the customer service
department should know. And before I utter a word, I'm listening to recording
from some customer service rep who isn't available at the moment. Okay.
I left a message. I never got a return call. So at this point my mellow
nature is eroding and I call California information to get the main company
telephone number. I call the number and civilly ask for the manager of the
customer service department. He said he isn't aware of any manager for the
department but could transfer me to a customer service rep which he did without
me answering. I got a recording for another unavailable person. Okay,
so now I'm mad and frustrated. I own 3 North Face tents plus miscellaneous
gear bags and I can't get basic information locally or at the company in
California. I'm thinking I should be an ideal customer, a satisfied returning
one. And I'm sitting in Seattle with my mouth open in disbelief. I try
the Seattle store again to get information. The sales person I got told
me two basic dimensionally inaccurate things right off the bat and then said
he's confusing the Expedition 25 tent with the VE-25 and Expedition Guide
tents. I told him he is my last recourse for basic information. He says
I should contact technical support in California because they don't train
him properly. So, I say this to my fellow comsumers - If this is the
direction of the company, think very hard if this is where you want to place
your money and your customer service faith. I did ultimately borrow a VE-25
and found it very solid but the footprint was a bit large with the vestibule
even for the base camping in snow. The interior space was terrific as usual
and great for waiting out weather. With a total weight over 10 pound, most
of us will split up the tent between a number of packs. Accordingly, I wish
they would address what I feel is a substandard floor fabric for extended
use. I have found this true on all my North Face tents which would have
much longer lives if we just had the option to increase the floor fabric
weight and durability.
Customer Service:
Customer service, meaning discussing an issue with a reasonably informed
company employee (not merely automatic part replacement), is sadly a joke.
Similar Products Tried:
Sierra Designs Wild Country Hyperspace Garuda Sahi North Face Mountain
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Reviewed by: Kevin Hultgren, a
Climber from Oakland, CA
Date Reviewed: 8/26/2000
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Great Tent. Used on Mt. Shasta for the past 5 years. Spent many nights
through storms over 10,000' with no problems (one night with out the rain
fly)! Great tent. Can sleep 4 if necessary--not recomended.
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Reviewed by: David, a Climber from
Calabasas, CA, USA
Date Reviewed: 7/27/2000
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Grrrrrrrrrr8! This tent preformed te best for me. Ive had this tent
for years and it is still new. I once bent all the poles and North Face replaced
them for free no questions.
Customer Service:
Great also.The bestive seen.
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Reviewed by: IJHAN, a Climber from
MAILING ONLY...OMAHA,NE
Date Reviewed: 7/21/2000
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I PURCHASED THIS EXTRODINARILY WELL DESIGNED AND LONG LASTING QUALITY
TENT AA A LAST YRS MODEL. I HAVE CARED FOR IT WITH THE NECCESSARY RESPECT
IT DESERVES. ON EVERY TRIP..BE IT FOR 3 DAYS-4WEEKS IN LENGTH THE VE-25 HAS
OUT PERFORMED ANY EXPEDITION TENT I HAVE EVER BEEN IN OR BORROWED. ITS A
MASTERPIECE AND ALTOUH IVE HEARD N.F. IS NOW MANURFACTURING OUTSIDE THE U.S.
AND REPORTS OF THEIR QUALITY NOW FLUXUATING...ALL THE GEAR I DO HAVE FROM
NORTH FACE HAS CARED FOR ME THROUGH EXTREME CONDITIONS TO THE MILDEST, YR
AFTER YR. I ADMIT I HAVE A DIVERSITY OF BRAND GEAR, STILL N.F VE-25 IS SUPERIOR
AS A EXPEDITION TENT.
Customer Service:
ALWAYS EXTREMLY CURTEOUS, TIMLY AND VERY PARTICULARLY ATTITIVE TO DETAILS.
Similar Products Tried:
EUREKA MTPASS AND TIMBERLINE SIERRA DESINS-VARIOUS
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Reviewed by: bodhi, a Day Hiker
from wrightwood, ca
Date Reviewed: 5/18/2000
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this tent is nice because it's waterproof and very roomy. i think it's
a little heavy to be taking long distances and its not worth the money.
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Reviewed by: Dwight Bishop, a Climber
from Butte, MT
Date Reviewed: 4/2/2000
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this is a grat tent to be used as a base camp! Four people can sleep
very comfortably or three with all their gear. Add on a vestibule and it's
like living at home. just need a opening inside to allow for cooking in bad
weather. My favorite when heading out with several friends!
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Reviewed by: Jim, a Climber from
Wyoming
Date Reviewed: 4/1/2000
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I have had y VE-25 for over ten years.. This thing is still in good
shape, and is absolutely storm proof..Expensivwe?? YES..Worth it YES,YES!
Very roomy and comfortable. The only other tent that I would consider is
a Bibler Bomb shelter, and it is twice the price..
Similar Products Tried:
I also have a North Face Back pack, one of the older ""Back Magic "" Models..
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Reviewed by: Forrest Arakawa, a
Climber from Oakland CA
Date Reviewed: 1/15/2000
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Great tent for winter use. A little on the heavy side. If you can
squeeze three then the weight is no problem.
Customer Service:
On a trip last winter I bent the poles. It was so windy, I had to line
the inside of the tent with boulders. Anyway, I sent them in and they sent
me a new set, no questions asked!
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